AI网络风险讨论为何失焦
论证要点
- 作者将辩论分为三派:美国前沿实验室和国安界认为开放权重模型风险不可接受;西方温和派认为开放模型对防御必要,禁令反而更不安全;中国公司则基于本国政府风险评估继续发布强网络能力的开放模型。
- Anthropic关于GLM-5.3网络攻击风险的技术研究本身合理,但未回答更关键的问题:禁止开放模型会怎样?中国公司为何认为这些模型可安全发布?政策是多方博弈的权衡,很少存在全面更优解。
- 公开信息显示,迄今大多数已记录的网络攻击由闭源模型造成,而非开放模型。作者提出几种可能解释:开放与闭源可能都容易被滥用;愿意用AI攻击关键基础设施的恶意行为者可能很少;开放权重模型作为防御扩散工具可能是未来几年最好的防害手段。
- 作者推论:若认为最新开放权重模型必须禁止以减缓网络风险扩散,那么前沿闭源模型的公开API很可能也应被定为非法。闭源模型护栏更强但不完美,且网络能力可能比护栏进步更快,只禁开放模型会扩大攻防差距。
- 中国以内生方式关注AI安全,受技术乐观主义和政治稳定优先影响。中国公司每次重大模型发布需向政府登记,包括评估,但该框架是否扩展到网络或生物风险尚不清楚。
- 中国AI研究人员不能出国、行业对外资关闭,个人风险远高于美国。中国公司更务实,专注打造好工具并补充现有业务,同时受政府激励参与竞争。
对实践的启示
做AI应用或依赖AI干活的人应意识到:开放模型禁令可能同时削弱防御方能力,而闭源API的滥用风险并未被同等讨论。政策若只针对开放权重,攻防差距可能扩大,防御方在私有基础设施上使用强模型将更困难。
作者承认的反方与局限
作者承认,从技术极限看闭源模型因多层保护确实更安全,且自己对网络安全生态了解有限,因此不全力支持开放权重模型作为防御工具这一建议。
原文摘引
The trope "Open Dangerous, Closed Safe" may be closer to "Open Unsafe, Closed Unsafe."
if you think the latest open-weight models need to be banned to slow the diffusion of cyber risks, you probably also need to make public-facing APIs for the frontier closed-models illegal.
China cares about AI safety. They have come to this discourse in a complete, endogenous manner relating to Chinese culture and power structures.
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I’ve had one too many discussions on the cyber risks of open models — where someone assumes that either banning open models happens in a silo (and bad actors will somehow actually be stopped) or that China is a threat and doesn’t care about AI safety — that I feel we’re going to end up making policy decisions that both limit American AI competitiveness and increases long-term cyber risk. I feel like we’re locked in on a path of lose-lose situation, unless people embrace nuance, trade-offs, and scary realities.
Much has been written about the views of various players in this debate, which I summarize as follows:
- Open weight models pose an untenable risk to society’s functionality, occupied by frontier lab leadership and the national security community in the U.S.
- Western voices saying open weight models are necessary for defense and banning them will make the world less safe, occupied by AI risk moderates to different extremes. I include myself in this bucket, along with Hugging Face’s perspective after the OpenAI incident, and others like Joshua Saxe.
- Chinese companies continuing to release open-weight models with strong cyber capabilities, who are making decisions based on the risk assessments of their society and government.
This list is also organized by volume or clarity of message in the Western AI ecosystem. The risk-focused discussions have been disproportionately visible, including pieces of work which I view as very detrimental to potential of engaging across assumed party lines on this issue. There’s also very little substantive engagement trying to understand how Chinese companies assess risk — rather, mostly arguments that border on ad hominem attacks like “Chinese labs don’t care about safety.”
The delusions of the anti open-weight alliance
The most recent publication from the “open-weights are dangerous” crowd was the report by Anthropic on the risks of GLM-5.3 as an offensive cyber tool. The problem with this is not the technical research they did, which is largely reasonable, but the failure to engage on more cross cutting questions like: What happens if we ban open models due to cyber risks or why do Chinese companies deem these models safe to release?
These questions, which I’ll come back to, are the ones we need to answer to understand the ecosystem perspective on current AI risks. All policy actions happen in a multi-piece puzzle, where the shape of risk can be changed, but it is rare that you get a universally better outcome. They are all trade-offs.
This sort of solipsistic writing by Anthropic fits very closely to another type of discourse I’m hearing about regularly that is determining the fate of open models and AI broadly — classified briefings. I’ve had many discussions with people who say something like “Look, I’m pro open models, but if you’re seeing what I’m seeing, it’s an onslaught out there due to [XYZ Chinese open-weight model] and we need to act.”
This perspective flies in the face of public information, where to date closed models have been documented as the cause of most existing cyber attacks. As someone who tries to make grounded predictions, the evidence of numerous attacks from OpenAI models is the only data I have on the shape of cyber risks (or, you can broaden the scope to include all of FelonyBench). There are a few possible explanations, and it’ll take years to get to the true answer:
- Maybe open model weights and closed model APIs (with some safe guards) are both far closer to being easy to mis-use, rather than API models being closer to safe. The trope "Open Dangerous, Closed Safe" may be closer to "Open Unsafe, Closed Unsafe."
- Maybe there are far fewer bad actors who are willing to use AI models for “loud” cyber attacks that target crucial infrastructure in the US or powerful and underprepared institutions. Closed models have stronger capabilities and stronger safeguards (in theory), but the stronger capabilities part could matter more in net harm if the safeguards on both are porous.
- I have a lot more to learn about how the cybersecurity ecosystem works, so I won’t support this full-heartedly as one of my current recommendations, but I think it’s at least a reasonable argument that open weight models as a diffusion tool for cyber defense could be the best tool we have to prevent harm over the next few years. There are many domains, e.g. sensitive government agencies, where open-weight models are the only tools that can be deployed in the near-term on air-gapped networks.
Lots of this situation seems like the messy reality being hard to pin down, where the logical limits are clearer. I may agree with the simple reality that closed models are far safer in the limit, as a technical tool with more layers of protection, but they may actually be causing more harm in the near term because of how accessible model APIs are. Still, much of the impact of the tools comes down to how they’re used and controlled. A duopoly on such a crucial tool may be the defining, risky part. This is the debate we’re having, and over time, as intelligence diffuses, many things may change.
These together make me come to the conclusion that if you think the latest open-weight models need to be banned to slow the diffusion of cyber risks, you probably also need to make public-facing APIs for the frontier closed-models illegal. The current stack of safeguards on closed models is stronger than open-weight models, but far from perfect. It is very likely that cyber capabilities of closed models increase much faster than guardrail performance, and a world where open models are banned while closed models continue to progress would be increasing the offense-defense cyber gap. It will take meaningful time to build mitigations that allow defenders to use strong AI models on their private infrastructure if we remove access to strong open-weight models.
Explaining China’s AI risk posture
China cares about AI safety. They have come to this discourse in a complete, endogenous manner relating to Chinese culture and power structures. There are some big picture pieces of this puzzle that reflect in other ways, such as Chinese society’s techno-optimism that extends into AI and the Chinese government’s complete focus on political stability. These things do, of course, interface with emerging AI risks like cybersecurity.
They are in their own AI risk dynamic, which hasn’t risen to the prominence of the political dance between the White House and the frontier labs which we have followed in the U.S. for a few months. My understanding is that the Chinese companies have to register every major model release with the Chinese government. This includes evaluations, which originated around information control for banned government information. It is unclear if this framework has expanded meaningfully into any risks like cyber or bio. The Chinese government is very decentralized and information from the labs needs to go through existing structures to make it to the top.
At the same time, there is a much stronger air of social risk in China, where leading AI researchers aren’t allowed to leave the country and the industry is closing off to foreign investment. On balance I would guess the personal risks facing people by unleashing any domestic harms would be much higher than in the U.S., where the worst case is that your company gets deleted.
Overall, the political oversight seems much earlier than in the U.S. The Western AI companies’ core principle is close to “the best way to stop a bad guy with AI is to be a good guy with AI.” In China, these companies are much more practical about building a wonderful tool, and in many cases building a tool that complements their existing businesses.
I do think that the companies consider the global implications of their work. These labs also clearly are incentivized, and often pushed via the government (at least in public messaging) to compete as much as they can. Running comprehensive saf